posted by [identity profile] lanna-kitty.livejournal.com at 04:45am on 26/08/2009
Fanfic with a strict set of rules *nods* and I think that's where the professional pride and scoffing part kicks in, because it's not too different, but it is? I guess it is more...Fanfic could easily be more serious and some people are threatened by that, some people HATE when other people use their ideas, and then others just don't get why anyone would do it as a hobby rather than something with a tangible benefit?

 
posted by [identity profile] annerbhp.livejournal.com at 04:50am on 26/08/2009
See, for me, it's the lack of tangible benefit that is my point of disconnect, because writing may not be a career for me, or ever have any inkling of finacial or critical gain for me, but I do get real, important, essential benefits from writing. If I was madly in love with golf and played that all the time as my hobby, no one would blink an eye, but because my form of recreation and personal joy is writing, it makes me someone laboring for nothing. I would ask if these people understand what writing can mean for people. I don't write to make money or get fame, I write because I just...have to. It's who I am. And I guess that is where my frustration comes in, these people telling me to try harder, play by the rules, or just shove off and stop writing.
 
posted by [identity profile] lanna-kitty.livejournal.com at 05:03am on 26/08/2009
*nodnodnod* I totally agree on the disconnect thing. Hell even a lot of the pros LOVE that they are entertaining people - sure the paycheck is nice, but the thing that drives them is the passion for the idea, the creation of it and, with many, the sharing of it. That isn't tangible, but it is a real benefit.

I think a lot of artistic pursuits suffer in this way, perhaps writing more than the visual things. In golf you have a score: there is a metric.

In art? well, there is a lot of opinion there, but there are rules (perspective works like this. color theory works like that) to follow and if you do, people hail! (and it is complicated by the fact that if you know the rules, you can break them and also be hailed as a genius. Sometimes.)

Writing is similar. there are rules "Do x to get people to feel/think y" Follow them and be hailed. ex: George Lucas and Star Wars = the hero's Journey. They can also be broken and you can be hailed as a genius! (sometimes). I think writing is more subtle which is why people cling to metrics harder "Are you published? How many copies did you sell? Were you optioned for movie rights? Why bother if you don't get something?"

Metrics totally ignore the emotional component :(
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posted by [identity profile] thothmes.livejournal.com at 05:59am on 26/08/2009
Yeah, I agree 100% with you here.

My dad is a published poet, novelist, and short story writer, who supported that habit by teaching Creative Writing at a university until he retired a few years back. He wrote - and still writes - for profit, for fame (although I doubt you would have heard of him in spite of his having published 4 novels), for posterity, and also for all of the reasons we do - to share, to try to shine small lights on bits of life and truth, to play with forms and explore feelings and ideas, to have fun doing something that brings a sense of joy and satisfaction.

I have a certain amount of training and aptitude for writing that is my birthright, but I have no particular desire to turn pro. For me the world of agents, advances, editors, and deadlines would be a buzz killer. But I enjoy writing, and I have always given bits of writing as gifts, much as I used to make Christmas presents back when I was younger and my desire to be bountiful outstripped my meager income. The internet serves as a way to share on a different scale. Using the familiar world of a fandom, with its limitations of character and circumstance is a nice and refreshing way to work around the writer's block blank-page-blank-mind syndrome that sometimes strikes me for original fic, and it poses puzzles that don't happen in original fic where I can just change the character or circumstances, because in my own little world, I am God.

Does this make me a bad writer? No, although I do have my faults as a writer, and am quite aware of most of them. Does it make me unproductive? No. This is what I do in my limited time off from being a wife/mother/swim instructor/volunteer/fitness enthusiast. He speaks of painting unprofitably but for fun. I write unprofitably but for fun, and share some of that on the off chance that I can give pleasure.

To me it seems in many ways more "art for art's sake" to be sharing simply to give pleasure or share a thought or feeling through words, rather than doing the same thing for profit or to gain a share of posterity through spreading my work to millions.

So, O Converted, did you enjoy the sermon?
 
posted by [identity profile] annerbhp.livejournal.com at 12:13am on 27/08/2009
Very interesting perspective, that of a professional writer's daughter. It is a rather mind-blowing shift in the world of writing in the last 100 years. It used to be that to get anyone to read your writing it would *have* to be professionally produced, but thank you internet, universal dispersal is now free. Behold the powers of the viral mind! :D

Yeah, and the world of the professional writer really does seem to have more than its fair share of buzz kills. The whole networking thing is a big scary monster to me. I prefer my tiny corner of the internets where people will seek me out if they feel like it. Lol.
 
posted by [identity profile] gunhilda.livejournal.com at 05:04pm on 26/08/2009
Oh my, that golf analogy is really brilliant. I had never thought of it like that, but it's so true.
 
posted by [identity profile] annerbhp.livejournal.com at 12:15am on 27/08/2009
I was just thinking about this cousin I have who misses all sorts of family gatherings just to golf and I'm like, how is my fanfic writing habit really more pointless and lacking in "tangible benefits" than that? At least we create something. Lol.
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posted by [identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com at 12:33am on 27/08/2009
A BILLIONTY TIMES THIS.

 
posted by [identity profile] annerbhp.livejournal.com at 04:10pm on 27/08/2009
solidarity, sister :D
 
posted by [identity profile] 0penhearts.livejournal.com at 03:01am on 27/08/2009
I would ask if these people understand what writing can mean for people. I don't write to make money or get fame, I write because I just...have to. It's who I am.

I'm with you there. I've had missing scenes and post-eps attack my brain mercilessly until I get them out because for me, they just HAVE to be written. It's about fulfilling the desires the original writers create in me.
 
posted by [identity profile] annerbhp.livejournal.com at 04:12pm on 27/08/2009
Ha! One of the perils of turning on the writerly mind, it's often impossible to get it to shut up again. Lol.

Yeah, I would hope this driving need to write post-eps and snippets would make creators realize their product has touched us. It takes a rare show to kidnap the fannish brain! :)

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